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, president of
the Acceleration Studies Foundation, is a
developmental systems theorist. He is president
of the Acceleration Studies Foundation a
nonprofit community for research, education,
consulting, and selected advocacy of communities
and technologies of accelerating change. He
co-produces the annual Accelerating Change
Conference. He is a member of the Association of
Professional Futurists, the FBI Futures Working
Group, and on the editorial advisory board of
Technological Forecasting and Social
Change.
What is your most
fervent hope for the future of networked
technologies? My most fervent wish is
that it empowers me to be more of a natural,
biological human being than my parents were, and
that it also greatly empowers my digital
extensions of myself. I want a both/and future,
rather than either/or – either I get
smarter or my machines get smarter. If I learn
how to use a calculator and I forget how to do
long division, that's OK, as long as
calculators are ubiquitous, as long as those
calculators are organic in my environment, I can
count on them, they're persistent. I
don't want a future where I am less socially
aware, globally aware. (I want to be) feeling
individuated, self-empowered, feeling like
I'm able to contribute meaningfully to my
community … First-generation technologies
are usually dehumanizing. Second-generation
technologies are indifferent to humanity, with
some positives and some negatives, but in general
they're a wash. With luck, third-generation
technologies are net-humanizing. That's
something you can observe from cities to cell
phones to any technology that you think is
important, that impacts human beings. Generally
the interface designers and the systems folks
don't get it right the first time – and
maybe they can't get it right. They have to
realize what we use and what we don't and
what are the downsides of using the technologies.
My fervent wish is that we get past the
first-generation effect, we compress that first
and second generation as fast as possible as we
move into this metaverse space – incredibly
intelligent technologies. My secondary wish is
that my digital twin – I fully expect that
I'm going to have an avatar that, in my
senior moments sometime after 2016, is going to
be whispering in my ear the word that I wanted to
say. That's how easy it is, if I'm
running a lifelong and everything I'm saying
is being dumped to text and I have some simple
augmented intelligence system like an avatar that
I use as an interface to the world, that avatar
is going to understand a lot of simple things
about me. It's going to be able to handle a
lot of my simple scheduling tasks, it's going
to be my first-pass filter on meeting strangers,
it's going to allow me to be a lot more the
kind of person I want to be, rather than keeping
track of a lot of little things that I don't
want to be, doing things I don't want to do.
That can also be misused. My digital extensions
are going to vastly exceed my own rate of
learning. There's a first-generation risk in
those cases that they dehumanize me at the
beginning … We don't see them as
extensions of us, but they are. If I spend 24
hours a week in World of Warcraft, that's me.
That's part of me, so I need to have as much
control (as possible) over the quality of time
I'm spending, over the data that's there,
privacy, trust and reputation. All of the things
I have in the human space, I need to have all of
those things in the digital space or it's
going to dehumanize me to spend time in there
… I have a very positive long-term vision,
but I can see lots of problems on the way
there.
What technology
will have the greatest impact on our everyday
lives the next 10 years? It's Web
2.0. The World Wide Web is a virtual
collaboration space. It's actually a
worldwide brain. Google is an oracle – an
ever-smarter virtual brain. Google didn't
know the word "near" six months ago.
Now if you know you can say to Google
"coffee shops near San Pedro," now
you've spoken a five-word sentence to Google
that has significantly more naturalness that what
we were doing previously. If you do metatagging
with Flickr or if you run a blog or if you are
part of a social network, what you're doing
on the web is building a collective repository on
the web that has higher and higher meaning for
human beings, and it's going across all
languages. Look at Wikipedia today. If you expand
one of the little stubs … you've done
a tremendous service for a long period of time
for a lot of people. So building Web 2.0 with the
rich media applications and all of the extensions
coming on top of that is a tremendous service to
all of humanity. And if we can get that concept
across to people, we can get them trying to learn
and use those things early on – make sure
their kids are digital, make sure that they are
doing everything they can to adopt technology
– not when it's bleeding edge but when
it's leading edge, then you create this
significant positive feedback loop. Then all the
visionaries out there know they have a market,
because it is the consumers who are the
rate-limiting step in all of these things. If we
see the vision – if we see how much we are
impacting our children's future by what we do
today in these collaborative technologies –
because all of that information persists –
all those e-mails we did in '93 are out there
on Usenet if people want to Google them – I
think if we recognize that then we recognize
we're building something that's much more
elaborate than any technological edifice
we've ever built before and far more
important to the future of humanity.
Looking out more
than 10 years, what development will have the
greatest impact on society? It's the
conversation-to-user interface. The metaverse is
important - the ability for us to have a mirror
world in virtual space that is more rich and
interesting and productive than that physical
space that you and I inhabit, so that you and I
will actually feel like we're in an
impoverished space to be sitting here and talking
unaugmented when everything that I'm saying,
all the websites and the metadata associated with
that, could be being projected on the walls
around us from a little microprojector that's
in our scarf or whatever. That kind of world is
tremendously empowering. We're going to be
managing virtual people. Nine-tenths of the
people we're talking to on the web will
probably not be real people. They will be virtual
digital assistants that will be doing things for
us. And those skills will snap back 100 percent
in real space, because all of the skills that you
and I are so good at – this facial
recognition, this one-on-one – we'll be
able to use those out in real space, we'll be
using them in virtual space. The metaverse has an
incredible up-side from its ability to be a
mirror world-plus. It's a true superset of
the physical space. It has everything that we
have in physical space, plus all of these
additions. That's a wonderfully unifying
thing, but I think the central lynchpin of that
is going to be this conversational interface, the
ability to speak naturally. We talk to our
computers like this right now (makes a typing
motion), that's why we don't think of
them as part of us. They are not really part of
us … Being able to speak to your computer
and have your computer speak back to you in a
natural conversational tone is going to be the
thing that's going to empower our use of all
of our technology, and you can actually chart
that that's going to happen sometime between
2012 and 2019 … Conversational interface
is going to be the front end to the metaverse,
your avatars, your robokitchen, to everything
that's complex in your life. It's going
to be tremendously empowering for us. You think
the internet was big, we're going to say the
era before the conversational interface was the
Wild West. We're in the last few years of the
Wild West. Everything from that point forward is
going to be totally different. Kids in 2015 who
can learn as fast as their curiosity drives them
– through a cell phone – talking to
the Web and learning anything that they want
– that generation that grows up around the
world with that capacity is going to be a
fundamentally different generation than what we
have today. I'm very optimistic that we will
see the ability to speak in a pidgin language
– we won't think of these computers as
artificially intelligent, we won't think of
them as smart – but to be able to speak to
them and have them speak back to us, using the
same skills we use (is likely). They'll be
pruning what they say based on everything we say
to them. Teaching my digital twin how to respond
better to what I've said seems to me a very
natural way to use technology. Much more
sophisticated than having to upload the latest
software. That's the kind of relationship we
want to our technology.
What do you think
policymakers should do to ensure a positive
future for networked technologies? They
should be thinking about what is their
appropriate role in stimulating innovation in
this space – leading with vision and
leading with dollars where necessary. Look at
turnpikes, for example. The term comes from
private roads, where they would actually turn the
pike and raise it for you and you would go from
one road to the next. That was hugely
inefficient, so the federal government decided to
buy those roads back. There were a lot of legal
issues involved … But by realizing how
much they could accelerate society by having this
kind of 'free bandwidth' available in our
nation's highway infrastructure it really
improved the quality of the planet. To the
question of how do you network the country better
– well, where's the free bandwidth? We
know we have fiberoptic technologies which are so
massively high bandwidth, why isn't it
everybody's right to be able to get
fiberoptic to their home? You've got a deal
with lots of issues there. If you're doing
that in an apartment building, well who pays for
getting that last mile? But that's something
the government should be leading on, because we
all should have the right to that kind of
bandwidth. We did it with highways, we've
done it with many things before. Now, it's
true that there's a tremendous value in
having a bunch of free-market competitors trying
to come up with better solutions, but at the same
time there are proven technologies that solve so
many of these problems that could be –
guarantees could be made by the government that
this level of bandwidth is going to be available,
and that we're going to put this kind of
money up, and we're going to make sure the
right of way exists, and then those problems
could be solved by whatever technology, whatever
company comes to the fore. I think that's one
example that comes to my mind of how governments
can realize the benefit of us all being networked
like that, and they can lead with a vision and
lead with dollars to make sure it happens now
rather than 20, 30 years from now.
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